Re: [tlaplus] Rules for writing formulae with primed variables

[Markus Kuppe <tlaplus-google-group@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

No, the two specifications are not equivalent. Remember that TLA+ is untyped, so you cannot infer from

  t' ≤ 10 ∧ t' ≥ 0

that

  t' ∈ 1‥10.

Adding the conjunct t' ∈ Nat makes Apalache accept the spec, but for TLC you will also have to redefine Nat to something like 0..100 for it to evaluate your spec. That is obviously not what you intend.

Note that the TLA Proof System (TLAPS) will happily discharge the following:

THEOREM
  ASSUME NEW t
  PROVE t ∈ 0..10 ⇔ (t ≥ 0 ∧ t ≤ 10 ∧ t ∈ Nat)
OBVIOUS

M.

---- MODULE m ----
EXTENDS Integers

MyNat == 0..100

VARIABLES
   \* @type: Int;
   t

Init == t = 0

Next == t' \in Nat /\ t' <= 10 /\ t' >= 0

THEOREM ASSUME NEW q PROVE q \in 0..10 <=> q >= 0 /\ q <= 10 /\ q \in Nat OBVIOUS
====
---- CONFIG m ----
INIT Init
NEXT Next
CONSTANT Nat <- MyNat
====

> On Nov 25, 2025, at 5:08 PM, Mathew Kuthur James <mathewkj2048@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I was playing around with a simple TLA+ model and noticed the following:
> 
> ---- MODULE m ----
> EXTENDS Integers, FiniteSets
> VARIABLES t
> _Init == t = 0
> _Next == t' \in 1..10
> ====
> TLC ran successfully. When I edited it like so:
> ---- MODULE m ----
> EXTENDS Integers, FiniteSets
> VARIABLES t
> _Init == t = 0
> _Next == t' <= 10 /\ t' >= 0
> ====
> It produced an error message:
> 
> "TLC threw an unexpected exception.
> This was probably caused by an error in the spec or model.
> See the User Output or TLC Console for clues to what happened.
> The exception was a java.lang.RuntimeException
> :
> In evaluation, the identifier t is either undefined or not an operator."
> 
> This happens on both the VSCode extension and the toolbox. Is there a set of rules about how expressions involving primed variables ought to be written? From what I understand, both specs mean the same thing.

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