Re: [tlaplus] Checking reachability

Ah my faulty assumption was that properties applied to all possible runs from a state, hence negating them is fine. However if I am interpreting you correctly, always and eventually just apply to states within the current run.

Is there any way to check some property over all runs, without resorting to parsing the counterexamples?

Thanks,

Chris

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From: Stephan Merz <stephan.merz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tlaplus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed, May 25, 2022 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: [tlaplus] Checking reachability

A property P is valid if it holds in every run. In other words, P is not valid if and only if there exist runs that do not satisfy P (i.e., satisfy ~P). This does not mean that all runs satisfy ~P.

In your example, TLC tells you that there are some runs that satisfy Prop_1 / Prop_2 and some that do not.

Stephan

On 25 May 2022, at 12:53, 'Chris' via tlaplus <tlaplus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to show that every value can be chosen in a Paxos like setting.

Following the approach here: https://groups.google.com/g/tlaplus/c/A58EEr7YWGg

I've tried the following properties.

```

Values == {1,2}

Prop_1 == [](~Chosen(1))

Prop_2 == [](~Chosen(2))

Prop_n1 == ~[](~Chosen(1))

Prop_n2 == ~[](~Chosen(2))

```

With all of them being set in the PROPERTIES field in the config.

In testing both Prop_1 and Prop_2 produce counterexamples as expected.

However both Prop_n1 and Prop_n2 also produces counterexamples.

Why is this since I'd expect that if Prop_1 and Prop_2 are false (ie produce a counter-example) then negating them should be true?

Thanks,

Chris

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